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		<title>By: Aleysha</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2009/05/25/10-reasons-atheists-are-more-moral-than-religious-fundamentalists/#comment-53114</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Aleysha]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2012 22:35:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Your arguments are strong except for the part when you said that you are entitled to what you decide to do with your body. Which means your body is rightfully yours and only you can control it.

For just one minute, try to stop your beating heart while still being alive. Can you?

Or sneeze with your eyes open.

You can say it&#039;s biologically impossible and clearly your body is confined to what science says. Doesnt really add up to your conviction, does it?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your arguments are strong except for the part when you said that you are entitled to what you decide to do with your body. Which means your body is rightfully yours and only you can control it.</p>
<p>For just one minute, try to stop your beating heart while still being alive. Can you?</p>
<p>Or sneeze with your eyes open.</p>
<p>You can say it&#8217;s biologically impossible and clearly your body is confined to what science says. Doesnt really add up to your conviction, does it?</p>
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		<title>By: utedzz</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2009/05/25/10-reasons-atheists-are-more-moral-than-religious-fundamentalists/#comment-52713</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jan 2012 16:12:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[wow … you make way too much sense … blasphemy !!!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow … you make way too much sense … blasphemy !!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Norma Griblin</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2009/05/25/10-reasons-atheists-are-more-moral-than-religious-fundamentalists/#comment-52372</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Norma Griblin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Nov 2011 03:12:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Cali,Great show, I&#039;m a big fan. However, a hospital in Scotland is a Scottish Hospital&#039;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cali,Great show, I&#8217;m a big fan. However, a hospital in Scotland is a Scottish Hospital&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: Michelle Araujo Silva</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2009/05/25/10-reasons-atheists-are-more-moral-than-religious-fundamentalists/#comment-51892</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michelle Araujo Silva]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jul 2011 04:44:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Excellent article!

&gt;&gt;&quot;I drive the speed limit through town because I don’t want a ticket. I understand that there are consequences for my actions, and that I am personally responsible for everything I do.&quot;

If I knew how to drive, I would drive the speed limit because I wouldn&#039;t want to lose control of the car and wind up hitting another car or running over a person or hitting against a tree or a lamp post where I could be badly injured. If one of those things happens because I was at high speed with my car getting a ticket would be the least of my worries (I would never forgive myself for hurting or killing someone because I was acting all stupid by recklessly driving a car)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent article!</p>
<p>&gt;&gt;&#8221;I drive the speed limit through town because I don’t want a ticket. I understand that there are consequences for my actions, and that I am personally responsible for everything I do.&#8221;</p>
<p>If I knew how to drive, I would drive the speed limit because I wouldn&#8217;t want to lose control of the car and wind up hitting another car or running over a person or hitting against a tree or a lamp post where I could be badly injured. If one of those things happens because I was at high speed with my car getting a ticket would be the least of my worries (I would never forgive myself for hurting or killing someone because I was acting all stupid by recklessly driving a car)</p>
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		<title>By: Nigerian Youth Forum</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nigerian Youth Forum]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2011 15:23:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Can&#039;t believe this conversation is still happening... almost 2 years later.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can&#8217;t believe this conversation is still happening&#8230; almost 2 years later.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Steven Martin</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2009/05/25/10-reasons-atheists-are-more-moral-than-religious-fundamentalists/#comment-51881</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Steven Martin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jul 2011 16:41:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I claim atheists are able to be more moral than religious people because we are able to be good for the sake of being good. When you have an authoritarian figure TELLING you what&#039;s good, and that you MUST be good (lest you be punished) then that can hardly be considered &quot;moral.&quot;  It&#039;s like when a parent *forces* a child to say &quot;I&#039;m sorry.&quot; Forcing someone is NOT the way to get genuine, meaningful results. Only when YOU are the one deciding your actions (and not living a life based on fearful submission) can you be truly moral.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I claim atheists are able to be more moral than religious people because we are able to be good for the sake of being good. When you have an authoritarian figure TELLING you what&#8217;s good, and that you MUST be good (lest you be punished) then that can hardly be considered &#8220;moral.&#8221;  It&#8217;s like when a parent *forces* a child to say &#8220;I&#8217;m sorry.&#8221; Forcing someone is NOT the way to get genuine, meaningful results. Only when YOU are the one deciding your actions (and not living a life based on fearful submission) can you be truly moral.</p>
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		<title>By: Ubi Dubium</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2009/05/25/10-reasons-atheists-are-more-moral-than-religious-fundamentalists/#comment-51869</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ubi Dubium]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jul 2011 13:45:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Very nice, Robin.  Well said.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very nice, Robin.  Well said.</p>
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		<title>By: Robin</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jul 2011 06:09:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why atheists are more Christian than fundamentalists:

1.  They don&#039;t ignore the fundamental part of the Bible.  Love others and treat others the way you want to be treated.  That&#039;s the golden rule that Jesus taught.
2.  They are more like the good Samaritan.  Unlike the priest and Levite that Jesus mentioned in the story, who passed the innocent man by, the Samaritan (likely to be a pagan) helped that man out.
3.  The pastor for the church I go to mentioned in one of his sermons that we have been given the wrong idea on what eternal life is.  He commented that we have heard so many translations that use the word everlasting, that makes things into the idea of life after death.  This pastor said that we have a life right here and now.
4.  In the Bible, Jesus is asked which ten commandments are more important, and the ones he mentions are NOT the ones about worship.  Fundamentalists choose not to kill, steal, or lie (although a lot of them probably do tell nothing but lies) because these are the ten commandments.  Atheists obey many of these rules because they understand why you shouldn&#039;t.
5.  Atheists actually take care of God&#039;s creation (whether they believe it&#039;s His creation or not).
6.  Although I can&#039;t completely make this generalization, most atheists seem to be against wars, especially over religion.  There are wars fought in the Bible, but all of those wars go against one of the ten commandments, Thou shalt not kill.
7.  Many fundamentalists use Christianity as a way of getting money for themselves.  They capitalize on it.  Atheists don&#039;t.
8.  I don&#039;t have any sources backing me up, but I&#039;ve seen more atheists donating to charities than I&#039;ve seen fundamentalists.  I&#039;ve seen a lot of Christian charities, but these were not from fundamentalists.
9.  Atheists think of the different sects of Christianity as one and the same.  Fundamentalists continue to for their own or are part of certain sects that go against others.
10.  Atheists don&#039;t listen to or fear the false prophets that the Bible warns us about.
11.  Atheists don&#039;t claim to have more religious authority than anyone else.  Some of them claim to know more about the universe, but they don&#039;t claim to be a worker for God.
12.  Although atheists choose not to believe in any God at all, they also choose not to believe in one who is so hateful.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why atheists are more Christian than fundamentalists:</p>
<p>1.  They don&#8217;t ignore the fundamental part of the Bible.  Love others and treat others the way you want to be treated.  That&#8217;s the golden rule that Jesus taught.<br />
2.  They are more like the good Samaritan.  Unlike the priest and Levite that Jesus mentioned in the story, who passed the innocent man by, the Samaritan (likely to be a pagan) helped that man out.<br />
3.  The pastor for the church I go to mentioned in one of his sermons that we have been given the wrong idea on what eternal life is.  He commented that we have heard so many translations that use the word everlasting, that makes things into the idea of life after death.  This pastor said that we have a life right here and now.<br />
4.  In the Bible, Jesus is asked which ten commandments are more important, and the ones he mentions are NOT the ones about worship.  Fundamentalists choose not to kill, steal, or lie (although a lot of them probably do tell nothing but lies) because these are the ten commandments.  Atheists obey many of these rules because they understand why you shouldn&#8217;t.<br />
5.  Atheists actually take care of God&#8217;s creation (whether they believe it&#8217;s His creation or not).<br />
6.  Although I can&#8217;t completely make this generalization, most atheists seem to be against wars, especially over religion.  There are wars fought in the Bible, but all of those wars go against one of the ten commandments, Thou shalt not kill.<br />
7.  Many fundamentalists use Christianity as a way of getting money for themselves.  They capitalize on it.  Atheists don&#8217;t.<br />
8.  I don&#8217;t have any sources backing me up, but I&#8217;ve seen more atheists donating to charities than I&#8217;ve seen fundamentalists.  I&#8217;ve seen a lot of Christian charities, but these were not from fundamentalists.<br />
9.  Atheists think of the different sects of Christianity as one and the same.  Fundamentalists continue to for their own or are part of certain sects that go against others.<br />
10.  Atheists don&#8217;t listen to or fear the false prophets that the Bible warns us about.<br />
11.  Atheists don&#8217;t claim to have more religious authority than anyone else.  Some of them claim to know more about the universe, but they don&#8217;t claim to be a worker for God.<br />
12.  Although atheists choose not to believe in any God at all, they also choose not to believe in one who is so hateful.</p>
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		<title>By: H, K</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[H, K]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Apr 2011 06:47:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m sorry, my dear.  I was with you until you started talking.  You sound just as ignorant as the people you&#039;re criticizing.  Please stop making generalizations.  Vitriol is not helpful, either.  Love and understanding should perhaps be practiced, not just preached.  I want to respect young, freethinking women, being one of them.  The lack of creative arguments and overall bludgeoning I found in your article completely disillusioned me.  Perhaps I will convert to Catholicism, or a more fundamentalist denomination...  Who needs nuanced, progressive thinkers when we can be hopelessly black and white?  (&quot;we&quot; in this case being you...)  Read some philosophy next time, and don&#039;t just parrot a bunch of grandiose cliched ideas.  Just a thought...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry, my dear.  I was with you until you started talking.  You sound just as ignorant as the people you&#8217;re criticizing.  Please stop making generalizations.  Vitriol is not helpful, either.  Love and understanding should perhaps be practiced, not just preached.  I want to respect young, freethinking women, being one of them.  The lack of creative arguments and overall bludgeoning I found in your article completely disillusioned me.  Perhaps I will convert to Catholicism, or a more fundamentalist denomination&#8230;  Who needs nuanced, progressive thinkers when we can be hopelessly black and white?  (&#8220;we&#8221; in this case being you&#8230;)  Read some philosophy next time, and don&#8217;t just parrot a bunch of grandiose cliched ideas.  Just a thought&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ubi Dubium</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2009/05/25/10-reasons-atheists-are-more-moral-than-religious-fundamentalists/#comment-51387</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ubi Dubium]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Mar 2011 17:17:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;You are giving me a series of non coralative events that you use as evidence that another event will occur. &lt;/blockquote&gt;.
Wait, what?  Are you saying that &quot;my car has started reliably over the past months&quot; is unconnected to &quot;my car will probably start this morning?  What kind of reasoning is that?

&lt;blockquote&gt;Yet I’m sure when you woke up that day you didn’t preface every plan by saying “IF my car starts” &lt;/blockquote&gt;  Actually my car is rather old, and having a backup plan in that case is often in the back of my mind.  I have a high confidence level, not &quot;Faith&quot;.

&lt;blockquote&gt;There are many that live their lives saying “IF God exists.” They are the ones that, by their hypocritic lifestyle... &lt;/blockquote&gt;
Which is why Pascal&#039;s Wager is such a weak argument.  No use pretending to believe in something you dont, just in case.

&lt;blockquote&gt;You must admit that society functioned better in America when Christian values were recognized as the standard.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
You mean back when slavery was legal, when discrimination against women and minorities was institutionalized, when it was OK to steal land from the natives and to beat schoolchildren?  Heck No!!  All of those things are specifically allowed and even encouraged by your ancient book.  No frikkin way did society function better in some imagined &quot;good old days&quot;.  As far as morality goes, our country now is the best it&#039;s ever been.  Not that there isn&#039;t still room for improvement.
&lt;blockquote&gt;If societies with effective rule systems win out over those that don’t how did the assyrians conquer the israelites...&lt;blockquote&gt; Because the Assyrians had a more effective system.  Your precious Israelites weren&#039;t the only ones with a strong moral code and societal rules, you know.
&lt;blockquote&gt;I won’t kill for my faith- only die for it.,&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Really.  Even if you deeply and sincerely thought you had received a message from god telling you to kill someone?  You would trust your own moral judgment over god&#039;s? And would you stand by and do nothing while others killed for your faith?  Would you make heroes out of those who have?  How many people did Joshua supposedly kill at god&#039;s command?  How about Gideon or Samson?  Are they heroes or war criminals?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>You are giving me a series of non coralative events that you use as evidence that another event will occur. </p></blockquote>
<p>.<br />
Wait, what?  Are you saying that &#8220;my car has started reliably over the past months&#8221; is unconnected to &#8220;my car will probably start this morning?  What kind of reasoning is that?</p>
<blockquote><p>Yet I’m sure when you woke up that day you didn’t preface every plan by saying “IF my car starts” </p></blockquote>
<p>  Actually my car is rather old, and having a backup plan in that case is often in the back of my mind.  I have a high confidence level, not &#8220;Faith&#8221;.</p>
<blockquote><p>There are many that live their lives saying “IF God exists.” They are the ones that, by their hypocritic lifestyle&#8230; </p></blockquote>
<p>Which is why Pascal&#8217;s Wager is such a weak argument.  No use pretending to believe in something you dont, just in case.</p>
<blockquote><p>You must admit that society functioned better in America when Christian values were recognized as the standard.</p></blockquote>
<p>You mean back when slavery was legal, when discrimination against women and minorities was institutionalized, when it was OK to steal land from the natives and to beat schoolchildren?  Heck No!!  All of those things are specifically allowed and even encouraged by your ancient book.  No frikkin way did society function better in some imagined &#8220;good old days&#8221;.  As far as morality goes, our country now is the best it&#8217;s ever been.  Not that there isn&#8217;t still room for improvement.</p>
<blockquote><p>If societies with effective rule systems win out over those that don’t how did the assyrians conquer the israelites&#8230;<br />
<blockquote> Because the Assyrians had a more effective system.  Your precious Israelites weren&#8217;t the only ones with a strong moral code and societal rules, you know.</p>
<blockquote><p>I won’t kill for my faith- only die for it.,</p></blockquote>
<p>Really.  Even if you deeply and sincerely thought you had received a message from god telling you to kill someone?  You would trust your own moral judgment over god&#8217;s? And would you stand by and do nothing while others killed for your faith?  Would you make heroes out of those who have?  How many people did Joshua supposedly kill at god&#8217;s command?  How about Gideon or Samson?  Are they heroes or war criminals?</p></blockquote>
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