Comments on: Irrespective of What You Think – My de-Conversion Story

By: Quester

Quester — Sat, 01 May 2010 00:28:03 +0000

Thanks for sharing, Carlos! I have no idea why “There has to be a Maker” or why, if we can’t comprehend a divine realm, we can say it exists, but deism is a stance with a fair amount of beauty and very little fear or hatred built in, and I’m glad to hear you’re allowing what information is available to shape your beliefs.

By: Carlos

Carlos — Fri, 30 Apr 2010 20:47:04 +0000

Wow! I still need to catch my breath.. No doubt, powerful, very eloquent. I do appreciate the use of personal experiences plus prudent allusions to gay issues. I was raised catholic, split and attended many different services, cried, prayed, on my kness asked God (He/She/or It) to make me straight and never there was a speck of compassion. This went on until I was 32, and decided finally to come out. I decided I am a proud deist, like many of our country’s founding fathers. There has to be a Maker, but we cannot comprehend a divine realm, we are too little, transitory, human, imperfect. I read the bible many times, but cannot base my beliefs in a book written 2000 yrs ago and put together by the romans and their cronies to save an empire and turn it into the holy roman empire out of constantinople. I praise the authors inner searching and logic. I am sure the creator, that gave us a very capable brain, values that we use it and we question human and divine authority. I wish to close by saying, I rather find my faith in the light of all the information available, rather than following blindly in a narrow track the dogmas of a particular sect.

By: Jeremy Styron

Jeremy Styron — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 04:26:40 +0000

GeorgeZ,

So Christ died vicariously for the sins of mankind? How is that possible? Why is it possible, and why is it even ethical? I should be accountable for my own transgressions and you for yours. Yet, Christ takes on all of our accountability on himself without our permission, but with a dire, dire, dire, dire price. What sort of irrationality is this? You will say: ahh, it’s a gift from Christ! If we would only accept his gift of salvation, we will be saved from eternal fire. But we didn’t ask for any salvation nor did we want it or need it. Yet, the price for not accepting this free “gift” is eternal punishment? And this from a loving savior? Please.

By: HeIsSailing

HeIsSailing — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 02:53:31 +0000

Hey Beth. My wife and I thought about you this weekend. She and I are making our marraige work, and so can you with effort, love and dedication. Please keep us posted periodically.

By: Quester

Quester — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 02:37:56 +0000

Hey, Beth! A long road isn’t the worst of options. It will give your husband and yourself a chance to learn that you are still you. It took me a year to learn how to be me again, without my usual crutches. It’s nice to know they weren’t actually necessary.

Thanks for letting us know how you’re going on. We wish you the best.

Oh, and as others have mentioned, we seem to be suffering from a prophet infestation just now, but he isn’t to be taken seriously.

By: LeoPardus

LeoPardus — Mon, 28 Sep 2009 23:08:19 +0000

Beth:

I too am glad you checked in. Like CheezChoc, I feared the worst. Now that you’re past the original revelation to your husband, and he’s trying to adjust instead of just bailing, things are a bit brighter I hope.
Most of the split marriages of folks on this site have turned out fine. In some cases the believer later woke up too.

And do ignore George. He’s a complete troll, with an emotional and intelligence quotient to fit.

By: CheezChoc

CheezChoc — Mon, 28 Sep 2009 19:37:36 +0000

Beth, I’m glad you checked in. I was worried.

By: Joshua

Joshua — Mon, 28 Sep 2009 17:07:58 +0000

There is no reason for me to consider anything other than the truth that Jesus Christ died for the sins of mankind

GeorgeZ, I hope it becomes apparent to you someday that your mind is stuck in an infinite threat / rewards loop.

By: GeorgeZ

GeorgeZ — Mon, 28 Sep 2009 17:06:04 +0000

And Beth, ignore GeorgeZ. He’s apparently one of our many drive-by flamers. He’s good for Bible quote barrages and an inability to consider anything you say if it’s not contained within his own fundie interpretation of the Bible

You are correct, Brian. There is no reason for me to consider anything other than the truth that Jesus Christ died for the sins of mankind.

Israel is the key to Bible prophecy. These events are going to continue no matter what the world attemps.

Stay tuned. You will just have to continue to deny, deny, deny.

By: Mystery Porcupine

Mystery Porcupine — Mon, 28 Sep 2009 16:55:51 +0000

Beth, what an awful thing for you to go through. We all know you didn’t want to cause your husband any pain. I hope that he can find his way out of the pain and back to your loving relationship. Every day that you treat him with kindness and love is a real challenge to the pain he is feeling. It seems like the situation would cause so much cognitive dissonance that he will either leave you or the church, but maybe he will just find a way to stay with you both. It must be really hard for you to try and wait this out. I hope for the best for your family.