The Big Lie of the Big-3 Monster-theisms:
Skeptics cannot undermine beliefs which require spiritual insight to believe!

The Big Lie exemplifies a classic logical failure called an “immunizing strategy.” Only a believer can understand another believer’s beliefs. It is a form of begging the question — presupposing without proof the very point at issue.

An immunizing strategy amounts to deflecting away every request for reasoning outside the charmed circle of language which only a believer could use.

But, one pays dearly when immunizing a belief from criticism. It cuts off rational communication. The immunizer gives up the right to be classed as a “reasonable person” — in the common sense way just by the courts.

You cannot respond rationally to critics by saying that only those who are with me can understand what I have to say. There must be some starting point in a discourse common to believer and to critic. Otherwise, there’s nothing that can be talked about.

Now you know why a xian “conversion” sales job has always begun with purportedly “absurd” or “paradoxical” claims to induce belief. And to a rational ancient Greek nothing was more conceptually contradictory than a “god on a cross.”

Ultimately, xianity cannot be refuted; it can only be dismantled. The de-deification of culture (including the sciences) is our task for the next 100 years.

anti-supernaturalist

Ok, I can go with that. Good job in seeing the positive!

I should not have said “reason does not exist”, I should have said “reason is useless with the things of God”.

As soon as a person submits to the notion that reason should lead anyone back to their God – that reason gives glory to God – they are starting on the right track. No?

Sure, his logic is bad or non-existent, but at least he is starting on that path. But that is how I started, and look where I ended up! It’s better than those who just believe and are afraid to use logic. I’ve known plenty of people like that and they are walking contradictions – using reason whenever it is convenient and throwing it out whenever it comes to anything in their faith because “God is above reason”.

The trick is when someone finally realizes they cannot use reason to get the results they want, and instead they should accept the results of reason – where it leads.

Place reason above God and you will leave faith. Place God above reason and render theology meaningless. Since both lead to a contradiction, either reason does not exist or God does not. I can’t see how anything else is possible.

Hopefully people like Anders reach that point.

What exactly do you think he is trying, and why do you commend it?

Wow. I’m surprised you didn’t fall to your death during one of the many leaps of illogic you made.