Interesting metaphor. But the xian god supposedly can be the film editor, while simutaneously interacting with the characters in the film. That might make a good movie plot there, but somebody has probably already done it.

The ‘beginning’ of time discussion reminds me of the argument I formerly used to show how God was outside of time… When I edit videos on my non-linear computer editing system, I am able to manipulate the elements, as well as see the start, middle, end of the video all at once which not being part of the ‘timeline’. Funny though, I was viewing it while existing in my own time, using the time to edit it.

-phil

I’ve discovered that life did differentiate through evolution on this planet. The ignorance, denial & dishonesty of so many creationists has led me to question the very core of christianity. It seems as if empirical data & critical thinking are the enemies of christianity.

I’ve befriended many atheists & agnostics. Many of them are de-converted christians. The more I look at christianity, with a critical mind the more it looks like it’s a construct of man, not God.

You are very coherent, articulate & concise this document. Thank you.
Tom

16- You have not proven that there are not, or even that we are not, spiritual creatures- only that we can not comprehend such, were they to exist.

17- How do they contradict each other?

25- “There is that which is independent of time, upon which time is causally dependent.”

As for the whole dimensions thing, I’m not sure that really can be used as justification. There may be dimensions higher than time, but can those dimensions exist without time already existing? You can’t have 3-dimensions without already having 2. Similarly, I wouldn’t think you could have the 5th dimension without the 4th (time).

You are right—–it is all speculation and conjecture. But it was fun discussing it for a while.

That’s fine, but realize you are just inventing ideas or taking other ideas invented by others… since it is all speculation anyway

“By analyzing the meaning of time I argue, without endorsing operationalism, that time is necessarily related to physical systems which can serve as clocks. This leads to a version of relationism about time which entails that there is no time ‘before’ the universe. Three notions of metaphysical ‘time’ (associated, respectively, with time as a mathematical concept, substantivalism, and modal relationism) which might support the idea of time ‘before’ the universe are discussed. I argue that there are no good reasons to believe that metaphysical ‘time’ can be identified with what we ordinarily call time. I also briefly review and criticize the idea of time ‘before’ the big bang, associated with some recent speculative models in modern cosmology, and I argue that if the big bang model is a (roughly) correct description of our universe, then the best current answer to the question in the title is that time did have a beginning”.

There are many scientists who believe that time had a beginning. Simply google it on the internet. Scientists say there is an end to the Universe. The question is always “what is beyond that”? The problem is one cannot describe what was before time without using the word “before” because we don’t live in other dimensions.

I could continue to argue the point—but I’ll leave that to the scientists. :>)