Comments on: The myth of the virgin birth of Jesus http://de-conversion.com/2009/11/01/the-myth-of-the-virgin-birth-of-jesus/ Resources for skeptical, de-converting, or former Christians...... Thu, 20 Jun 2013 04:55:50 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: Dr Michael Foster http://de-conversion.com/2009/11/01/the-myth-of-the-virgin-birth-of-jesus/#comment-52847 Fri, 13 Jan 2012 20:12:16 +0000 http://de-conversion.com/?p=3372#comment-52847 Further – as to Paul’s alleged silence, the institution of the Lord’s Supper, would have never been recorded by Paul, if he had not needed to seek to correct certain abuses. The Corinthians to which Paul wrote already knew about the tradition of the Lord’s Supper. If Paul had not written to deal with the abuses that had arisen, it could be argued that he was not aware of that tradition, and worst still that the tradition can be caled into question due to Paul’s silence! This is the folly of an argument based on silence!

]]> By: Dr Michael Foster http://de-conversion.com/2009/11/01/the-myth-of-the-virgin-birth-of-jesus/#comment-52842 Fri, 13 Jan 2012 18:11:08 +0000 http://de-conversion.com/?p=3372#comment-52842 In further considering Paul’s alleged silnce it can be noted that Paul uses the term “God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ” in Romans 15:6, and 2 Corinthian 11:31. As to the second Gospel; Mark does not cover the birth narrative but in the opening verses records this; “Jesus Christ, the Son of God. ” John’s Gospel perhaps has fully absorbed the doctrine of the Virgin birth with its; ” And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.”. Also in John’s Gospel (8:41) there is the taunt of the Jews “we were not born of fornication” – which is surprising given that he was known as the son of Joseph (John 1:45) suggesting that there was something suspect about his birth.

]]> By: Dr Michael Foster http://de-conversion.com/2009/11/01/the-myth-of-the-virgin-birth-of-jesus/#comment-52773 Sun, 08 Jan 2012 19:17:52 +0000 http://de-conversion.com/?p=3372#comment-52773 Almah the Hebrew word means Young Maiden not simply young woman. ie. A young virgin who is of an age to marry. The word is used interchanably in some passages of the OT with Virgin. Before the birth of Jesus (in other words before any controversy) Greek speaking Jews used the term Virgin as their translation of Almah in Isaiah 7, and therefor nothing to do with any Christian bias!
Mark does not cover the birth narative and Paul did not seek to write a Gospel. His readers were already aware of the tradition. His epistles are reminders (1 Co 15:1) and to deal with disputes. However in Gal 4:4 he states that “God sent forth his son, born of a woman.” and adds ” Born under the law”. Paul did not need to use the word “virgin”. His point was that Jesus was born as man and under the [Jewish] law to redeem those under the law. “Born of a woman” in a literal transaltion is “becoming of a woman” – thus Paul’s “sent by God, becoming of a woman” equates well with Matthew and Luke’s virgin birth.

]]> By: cretien http://de-conversion.com/2009/11/01/the-myth-of-the-virgin-birth-of-jesus/#comment-39894 Mon, 07 Dec 2009 07:08:43 +0000 http://de-conversion.com/?p=3372#comment-39894 TO: The de-Convert

Contact me via email as I would like to share something with you to confirm your stance but very much also open your eyes.

]]> By: Melanie Stephan http://de-conversion.com/2009/11/01/the-myth-of-the-virgin-birth-of-jesus/#comment-39537 Tue, 01 Dec 2009 17:44:24 +0000 http://de-conversion.com/?p=3372#comment-39537 Now there is one problem that I have with Gods story so far. Maybe you see it too. He tells me where Christ is born and where he dies, he has nothing to say about Christ’s life. Where are all of the miracles and things that Christ taught? Months go by and I am confused about the life of Christ. In a dream God tells me that Jesus’ real name is John. I am still confused. The name John is a clue word just like the clue word Fritters. Months go by I am still confused, I just don’t get the clue ‘John’. I have given up. I get another clue, the clue is dough. Now I get it. At the last supper Jesus breaks the bread and says this is my body. The body of Christ is Dough. Johns last name is Doe. Christ’s real name is John Doe. That also means that John was NOT the prophet. The savior or the messiah that the Jews have been waiting for hasn’t come yet.

The message is: “The House of David was taken to Rome.”

]]> By: Melanie Stephan http://de-conversion.com/2009/11/01/the-myth-of-the-virgin-birth-of-jesus/#comment-39521 Tue, 01 Dec 2009 16:02:15 +0000 http://de-conversion.com/?p=3372#comment-39521 So what happened next? God says that: “When Jesus became a man he was taken to Rome with other prisoners. He was taken there to be taught a lesson by those that are smarter, better and far more superior than himself.”

God does not give details of the torture. My guess is that the Romans took their time. If the students dies to soon the show is over and the Jew Swine hasn’t learned his lesson. The Romans learned that you have to scratch at the surface first. You don’t want to get your point through to soon or the lesson is over. In the end the Romans always got their point (spear) through. Over and over again the Roman’s proved they are right (smarter).

The point is that might is right. The Romans are always Right and Victorious. The stupid Jew swine loser lays dead. He learned his lesson. We won, We are Victorious.

God says he was extremely hurt by what the Romans did. He didn’t strike out after them for what they did. God came for his Son before he dies. He brings him back to his House where is Resurrected. Jesus gets a beautiful new body. (His old body is trash. It gets tossed over the Rock.)

Does God forgive the Romans for what they did? I don’t know if he will care enough to want to save them from death. In my opinion God will do nothing for them. If he does anything for them it will be to show them that Rome is really Hell. Hell is were you die a horrible death.

The message is: “Life starts in Jerusalem and it ends in Rome.”

]]> By: Melanie Stephan http://de-conversion.com/2009/11/01/the-myth-of-the-virgin-birth-of-jesus/#comment-39508 Mon, 30 Nov 2009 16:32:56 +0000 http://de-conversion.com/?p=3372#comment-39508 In Jerusalem, Titus sees the Virgin on the road. Titus takes what is not his. Coins of little value are left on the road. Jesus’ life begins in Jerusalem.

Why are the coins left on the road? My though on this is that it is for appearances. Titus does not want to be seen as a theif, He is a man of honor. Besides other people are watching.

But isn’t this abduction? That’s got’a still look bad? No, it doesn’t look bad. At this time in history women are looked on as a commodity. They are not seen as living, thinking, feeling human beings. They are just objects. During this period being a Pimp or a John is acceptable.

This also means Jesus was NOT born in Bethlahem and didn’t live in Nazareth.

The message is: ‘Life begins in Jerusalem’

]]> By: Melanie Stephan http://de-conversion.com/2009/11/01/the-myth-of-the-virgin-birth-of-jesus/#comment-39507 Mon, 30 Nov 2009 16:15:25 +0000 http://de-conversion.com/?p=3372#comment-39507 Some of you couldn’t read all about parthenogenesis, but you could read the Bible from cover to cover? I read say half of parthenogenesis then it got to the point where I had to scroll down to see how long this was. When I got to everyones comments it turned out worth reading. I found them humorous. When I read parts of the Bible it was always the same way. I would have to stop and see how many pages I still had to read. It was just hard to read.

Anyway I do have something to say about the Virgin Birth below.

]]> By: Ubi Dubium http://de-conversion.com/2009/11/01/the-myth-of-the-virgin-birth-of-jesus/#comment-38944 Wed, 11 Nov 2009 00:24:01 +0000 http://de-conversion.com/?p=3372#comment-38944

oh my gosh, that is a huge bit of nonsense! Sadly, I didn’t read it all. can anyone summarize in three sentences or less?

I have discovered Truth! {ancient myth} {unsubstantiated anecdote} {unsupported assertion}. Read my website! (And I have not read anything on your website, and have no idea who I am talking to!)

Better?

]]> By: LeoPardus http://de-conversion.com/2009/11/01/the-myth-of-the-virgin-birth-of-jesus/#comment-38935 Tue, 10 Nov 2009 19:46:07 +0000 http://de-conversion.com/?p=3372#comment-38935 Post #36: Holy shit! That’s a huge load of wastage.

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