Comments on: Whacked Bible Contradictions: 3

By: the chaplain

the chaplain — Fri, 06 Nov 2009 01:15:25 +0000

Cranial-rectal inversion

Ooh. That sounds so much more painful than it felt at the time.

By: LeoPardus

LeoPardus — Fri, 06 Nov 2009 01:13:38 +0000

Nah. He meant between the EOC and orthodox Jews. They are a lot alike.

By: HeIsSailing

HeIsSailing — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 23:57:23 +0000

? Not sure I know what you mean. You like old musicals too?

By: Lucian

Lucian — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 21:57:50 +0000

There are indeed a great many similarities between us, that’s true.

By: HeIsSailing

HeIsSailing — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 16:58:49 +0000

Wow, I blew that one, didn’t I??

Lucian’s methodolgy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRdfX7ut8gw

By: HeIsSailing

HeIsSailing — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 16:55:13 +0000

Lucian, on the contrary - your reasoning makes perfect sense to me.

By: Lucian

Lucian — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 15:48:15 +0000

HelsSailing, LeoPardus, our atheist prophet here, rightly and accurately predicted that the explanation I'm going to offer will make no bloody sense to you, a Protestant, but only for me, the Orthodox explainer: but here it goes, anyway: This is what the Christian Church has always believed, from its very beginning. (I also agree that this is much more of a statement than an actual explanation). If by any chance You're curious or interested, and wish to know or find out more about this, here is a good place to start searching.

By: LeoPardus

LeoPardus — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 10:20:53 +0000

Prediction: He won’t have any trouble explaining post #11 from HIS. The explanation will make no bloody sense, but will be completely satisfactory to the explainer; and that’s the only thing that really maters to the presupposer.

By: HeIsSailing

HeIsSailing — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 06:18:42 +0000

Lucian, please read the following passage from Exodus 33:

7Now Moses used to take the tent and pitch it outside the camp, a good distance from the camp, and he called it the tent of meeting And everyone who sought the LORD would go out to the tent of meeting which was outside the camp.

8And it came about, whenever Moses went out to the tent, that all the people would arise and stand, each at the entrance of his tent, and gaze after Moses until he entered the tent.

9Whenever Moses entered the tent, the pillar of cloud would descend and stand at the entrance of the tent; and the LORD would speak with Moses.

10When all the people saw the pillar of cloud standing at the entrance of the tent, all the people would arise and worship, each at the entrance of his tent.

11Thus the LORD used to speak to Moses face to face, just as a man speaks to his friend When Moses returned to the camp, his servant Joshua, the son of Nun, a young man, would not depart from the tent.

You are claiming that “it is the Son that is the subject of the OT theophanies”. Exactly what in the above passage determines that LORD, or YHWH, is in fact actually the 2nd person of the Trinity? What methodology are you using to conclude that in Exodus 33:7-11, YHWH is not actually YHWH as the text says, but rather ‘the Son’?

Now read this passage, which follows after:

12Then Moses said to the LORD, “See, You say to me, ‘Bring up this people!’ But You Yourself have not let me know whom You will send with me Moreover, You have said, ‘I have known you by name, and you have also found favor in My sight.’

13″Now therefore, I pray You, if I have found favor in Your sight, let me know Your ways that I may know You, so that I may find favor in Your sight Consider too, that this nation is Your people.”

14And He said, “My presence shall go with you, and I will give you rest.”

15Then he said to Him, “If Your presence does not go with us, do not lead us up from here.

16″For how then can it be known that I have found favor in Your sight, I and Your people? Is it not by Your going with us, so that we, I and Your people, may be distinguished from all the other people who are upon the face of the earth?”

17The LORD said to Moses, “I will also do this thing of which you have spoken; for you have found favor in My sight and I have known you by name.”

18Then Moses said, “I pray You, show me Your glory!”

19And He said, “I Myself will make all My goodness pass before you, and will proclaim the name of the LORD before you; and I will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will show compassion on whom I will show compassion.”

20But He said, “You cannot see My face, for no man can see Me and live!”

Please tell me what it is in this passage that tips you off that in this case LORD (or YWHW – the same name in both passages) is not the Son, in complete contradistiction to the first passage, but now the Father? What methodolgy are you using to determine that the second passage refers to Father, and the first passage refers to the Son? How do you determine when and how the identical name for God refers to which of two seperate persons?

By: Quester

Quester — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 06:14:59 +0000

Shadow @ #2

You make a good argument for the Bible as a successful meme, which I doubt anyone here would disagree with. Longevity is one virtue the Bible definitely has had, if in some ways like the legendary axe of George Washington- with its eight new handles and three new heads.