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		<title>By: Ofosu</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2009/12/06/morality-how-it-works/#comment-76351</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ofosu]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Mar 2013 15:33:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[daydreamcat 我想是不行的 前兩者是後設倫理學理論 後兩者是規範倫理學理論 這兩個倫理學領域要解決的不是同一個層次的問題 所以在其中一個領域給出的理論不見得會等同於在另外一個領域給出的理論 不過有一些後設倫理學理論的確在規範倫理學上有蘊含 例如錯誤理論蘊含虛無主義 而在虛無主義之下 大部分的deontological theory和後果論都會是錯的 hi 你覺得那些道德宣稱的真假值改變 是因為概念被偷換了 例如 把 沒病的牛肉 換成 昂貴稀少危險而且可能有病的牛肉  在你假想的世界裡  沒病的牛肉 指的東西跟我們平常理解的 沒病的牛肉 便宜有品質保證的牛肉  不一樣 所以你的假想世界中的 給父母吃沒病的牛肉 和我們平常理解的 給父母吃沒病的牛肉 便宜有品質保證的牛肉  也不會一樣 換句話說 你沒有真的證明 同一個道德宣稱P的真假值會因為世界改變而改變 你只是創造了一個跟P很像的P&#039; 然後說P&#039;跟P有不一樣的真假值 但是這不算是反例  我覺得你應該感念 以下略 的留言 把論證講清楚是你的責任 他替你做了這份工作 退一步來說 就算那些道德宣稱的真假真的會隨著世界的狀態而改變 那又如何 跟我們的討論有什麼相關 在對詞彙選擇容忍度高的討論情況下 只要定義好當然就沒有問題 不過現在不是對詞彙選擇容忍度高的情況 你的論述不完整 概念混亂 在這種情況下就更不應該用跟別人不同的方法使用詞彙 增加理解困難 另外 我想你的說法不會是 依照定義 的結果 因為依照定義 道德實在論蘊含有些道德宣稱為真  參考 道德反實在論者不能說些什麼  我覺得這種因為定義不同而引起的爭論很無聊 只是字詞之爭 如果大家已經對於 蘋果 有統一的用法 為什麼還會有人硬要拿不一樣的定義來找麻煩]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>daydreamcat 我想是不行的 前兩者是後設倫理學理論 後兩者是規範倫理學理論 這兩個倫理學領域要解決的不是同一個層次的問題 所以在其中一個領域給出的理論不見得會等同於在另外一個領域給出的理論 不過有一些後設倫理學理論的確在規範倫理學上有蘊含 例如錯誤理論蘊含虛無主義 而在虛無主義之下 大部分的deontological theory和後果論都會是錯的 hi 你覺得那些道德宣稱的真假值改變 是因為概念被偷換了 例如 把 沒病的牛肉 換成 昂貴稀少危險而且可能有病的牛肉  在你假想的世界裡  沒病的牛肉 指的東西跟我們平常理解的 沒病的牛肉 便宜有品質保證的牛肉  不一樣 所以你的假想世界中的 給父母吃沒病的牛肉 和我們平常理解的 給父母吃沒病的牛肉 便宜有品質保證的牛肉  也不會一樣 換句話說 你沒有真的證明 同一個道德宣稱P的真假值會因為世界改變而改變 你只是創造了一個跟P很像的P&#8217; 然後說P&#8217;跟P有不一樣的真假值 但是這不算是反例  我覺得你應該感念 以下略 的留言 把論證講清楚是你的責任 他替你做了這份工作 退一步來說 就算那些道德宣稱的真假真的會隨著世界的狀態而改變 那又如何 跟我們的討論有什麼相關 在對詞彙選擇容忍度高的討論情況下 只要定義好當然就沒有問題 不過現在不是對詞彙選擇容忍度高的情況 你的論述不完整 概念混亂 在這種情況下就更不應該用跟別人不同的方法使用詞彙 增加理解困難 另外 我想你的說法不會是 依照定義 的結果 因為依照定義 道德實在論蘊含有些道德宣稱為真  參考 道德反實在論者不能說些什麼  我覺得這種因為定義不同而引起的爭論很無聊 只是字詞之爭 如果大家已經對於 蘋果 有統一的用法 為什麼還會有人硬要拿不一樣的定義來找麻煩</p>
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		<title>By: Landon Springer</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2009/12/06/morality-how-it-works/#comment-40862</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Landon Springer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 19:19:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Josh,

Forgive me if you&#039;ve established this in a previous post, but if offenses are relative, based on the perspective of the person affected, why would you believe that the standard by which an offense is deemed offensive is absolute?

In other words, if offenses are inherently relative, why do you seem to believe that there is an absolute standard broken by such offense? Isn&#039;t it enough to know that it was relatively offensive, if not absolutely?

Landon]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Josh,</p>
<p>Forgive me if you&#8217;ve established this in a previous post, but if offenses are relative, based on the perspective of the person affected, why would you believe that the standard by which an offense is deemed offensive is absolute?</p>
<p>In other words, if offenses are inherently relative, why do you seem to believe that there is an absolute standard broken by such offense? Isn&#8217;t it enough to know that it was relatively offensive, if not absolutely?</p>
<p>Landon</p>
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		<title>By: BigHouse</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2009/12/06/morality-how-it-works/#comment-40449</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BigHouse]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 00:16:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The funniest part, Josh, is it demonstrates a fundamental misunderstanding of how the internet works...

Not surprising from someone who worships an ancient manuscript.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The funniest part, Josh, is it demonstrates a fundamental misunderstanding of how the internet works&#8230;</p>
<p>Not surprising from someone who worships an ancient manuscript.</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2009/12/06/morality-how-it-works/#comment-40446</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joshua]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 22:45:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sigh.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sigh.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2009/12/06/morality-how-it-works/#comment-40445</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joe]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 22:40:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[:)    Let&#039;s see---Josh wasn&#039;t even in the conversation earlier.  Just Frreal and Bighouse.  Now check the timing:

#73  6:08 P.M.  Joshua
#74  6:12 P.M.  BigHouse

I will vacate the premises, but I think Josh and Bighouse---and maybe Frreal are all the same person.  I&#039;m starting to get scared.  :)

I&#039;m outta here. :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />     Let&#8217;s see&#8212;Josh wasn&#8217;t even in the conversation earlier.  Just Frreal and Bighouse.  Now check the timing:</p>
<p>#73  6:08 P.M.  Joshua<br />
#74  6:12 P.M.  BigHouse</p>
<p>I will vacate the premises, but I think Josh and Bighouse&#8212;and maybe Frreal are all the same person.  I&#8217;m starting to get scared.  <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I&#8217;m outta here. <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Joshua</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2009/12/06/morality-how-it-works/#comment-40443</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joshua]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 22:28:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t care if I get labeled a sockpuppet.

Joe is God&#039;s sockpuppet, and he puts out the expected amount of substance if our worldview is accurate.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t care if I get labeled a sockpuppet.</p>
<p>Joe is God&#8217;s sockpuppet, and he puts out the expected amount of substance if our worldview is accurate.</p>
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		<title>By: BigHouse</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2009/12/06/morality-how-it-works/#comment-40441</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BigHouse]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 22:12:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Careful, Josh, that talk is likely to get us labelled as sockpuppets again....

But I&#039;m glad to hear I&#039;m not the only one...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Careful, Josh, that talk is likely to get us labelled as sockpuppets again&#8230;.</p>
<p>But I&#8217;m glad to hear I&#8217;m not the only one&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2009/12/06/morality-how-it-works/#comment-40439</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joshua]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 22:08:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Joe, to be honest, you’re beginning to get annoying.

I don’t even know what you believe any more and all you do is crack jokes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe, to be honest, you’re beginning to get annoying.</p>
<p>I don’t even know what you believe any more and all you do is crack jokes.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2009/12/06/morality-how-it-works/#comment-40432</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joe]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 21:36:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah---Rickles  doesn&#039;t carry on conversations with himself either.  :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah&#8212;Rickles  doesn&#8217;t carry on conversations with himself either.  <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Frreal</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2009/12/06/morality-how-it-works/#comment-40431</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Frreal]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 21:20:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Inconsistency is not circular.  Shrug.

BigHouse hah  except Rickles wasn&#039;t the only one that thought Rickles was funny.  :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Inconsistency is not circular.  Shrug.</p>
<p>BigHouse hah  except Rickles wasn&#8217;t the only one that thought Rickles was funny.  <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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