Comments on: WWJD Series: Jesus, Thoughtcrime and Eternal Anguish

By: Dale701

Dale701 — Mon, 22 Mar 2010 14:00:35 +0000

I said….
Joe………
I have trouble understanding where christians find all the love for the poor from christ.

68. Joe | March 18, 2010 at 11:22 am
Dale—
You may want to go back and read the many accounts of the lepers, blind, deaf, halt and lame that Jesus healed.

So, you think these people were all poor, prove it, Joe.
Since most people are poor, you will also need a statistical advantage for the poor healed, to counter my assertion.

And while you are at it, why not heal all the blind etc…of the world, this would have been noticed throughout the world.
God sure had no problem killing in mass quantities!
Why not healing?
I know, it is because this god does not exist and germs and natural disasters do.

By: Ubi Dubium

Ubi Dubium — Fri, 19 Mar 2010 23:24:37 +0000

LOL not impressed by miracles? OK :>)

I might be impressed by actual miracles. But I'm not impressed by a bunch of old stories about miracles. People spin tall tales all the time, and always have. As far as I can see, Jesus healing lepers is as believable as Odysseus poking out the eye of the cyclops. Bring on something real, something that can be measured, or something that was independently verified by people with no vested interest in the story being believed. The supernova of 1054? Specifically mentioned by writers in several different parts of the world. And we can see the nebula it left behind. That's a believable ancient event. The Sun stopping in the sky? Somebody would have noticed that and written about it. A Zombie outbreak in Jerusalem? Someone other than Matthew should have noticed. Leprosy cures? Word would have spread and people would have been coming from all over the Roman empire. It would have gotten noticed if it were real. But nowhere is that kind of stuff mentioned except in the religious writings of someone trying to make converts. Tall tales.

By: The de-Convert

The de-Convert — Fri, 19 Mar 2010 16:12:27 +0000

Dale,

And another, is christ’s family values!

See: http://de-conversion.com/2007/03/27/wwjd-series-jesus-and-family-values/

By: Joe

Joe — Fri, 19 Mar 2010 15:06:09 +0000

Oops forgot to put name again. Anonymous is me.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Fri, 19 Mar 2010 15:05:19 +0000

Ubi—

LOL not impressed by miracles? OK :>)

By: Ubi Dubium

Ubi Dubium — Fri, 19 Mar 2010 00:48:38 +0000

Sure, this being (who is supposedly one and the same being as an omniscient god) healed lepers, but never bothered to tell anyone the actual cause of leprosy, or that it was curable? Or bothered telling people about some of the preventable causes of blindness? No, he just let people think disease was caused by demons, and could be cured by wishing hard enough, and holy spit.

Sounds like nothing more than the superstition of the day, plus a few second-hand reports of “miraculous cures”. I’m not impressed.

By: Joe

Joe — Thu, 18 Mar 2010 15:22:11 +0000

Dale—

You may want to go back and read the many accounts of the lepers, blind, deaf, halt and lame that Jesus healed.

By: Dale701

Dale701 — Thu, 18 Mar 2010 14:07:49 +0000

Grace……….
I have trouble understanding where christians find all the love for the poor from christ.
When they had the expensive ointmint, he did not sell and give to the poor.
When he fed people, all were fed, rich and poor.
He had no money to give, because he had no coins from cesar.
Show me where all this special treatment to the poor is?

And another, is christ’s family values!
He had no kids.
He told the apostles to abandon there wives and children.
I cannot find where he even had a job.
He was a lofer who hung out with low lifes!
publicians and sinners

I believe how a person lives tells more about a person than what he says.
Words are cheap. Actions are not.

By: SnugglyBuffalo

SnugglyBuffalo — Wed, 17 Mar 2010 15:55:59 +0000

Or do you have a way of knowing which bits are God’s Word and which are man’s invention?

The Holy Spirit, obviously! This is evidenced by the fact that everyone who has the Holy Spirit interprets the Bible in the same way.

Wait…

By: Quester

Quester — Wed, 17 Mar 2010 06:30:49 +0000

I don’t know if every nuance of the Bible is the word of God, but I do believe much of it (if not indeed all of it) is divinely inspired.

What do you mean by “divinely inspired”, and why do you believe this?

All this to say that I believe Jesus is the Son of God because the Bible hammers that point over and over again.

And that’s Big House’s point. Instead of conceding God’s existence, Jesus’ existence, and Jesus as God’s son, a skeptic would ask “How do you know?” This would bring you quickly to the Bible, and then you could argue about the Bible as God’s Word. A skeptic can concede points for the sake of an argument, but you were conceding your argument for the sake of a point.

Do you think someone has to believe all of it is God’s word in order to be a Christian?

Demonstrably not. But if you have no way to tell which bits are God’s Word, you are a Christian who is creating your own god to match your own desires and preconceptions, instead of a Christian who is seeking a god who might actually be there. Or do you have a way of knowing which bits are God’s Word and which are man’s invention?

Believing Jesus is the Son of God is like Newton’s First Law.

Except that we can know what is meant by “Every object in a state of uniform motion tends to remain in that state of motion unless an external force is applied to it” and test this law discover where it does and does not work. If we can not define “God”, “Jesus” nor the relationship between them, the sentence, “Jesus is the Son of God” is entirely without meaning. Without meaning, we can not test it for accuracy. Without accuracy, it is not in any way useful. Put simply, believing Jesus is the Son of God is nothing like Newton’s First Law, in any manner whatsoever. You may wish a different analogy. Or a different religion.

I don’t mean to be coming across harshly here, Tim, I’m just having a very hard time making sense out of what you’re saying.