Who’s Pathological?

April 12, 2013 at 4:48 pm 15 comments

First a definition: Pathological – deviating from normal, healthy, or efficient

Next some considerations of pathology in the context of evolution and society:

Evolution – The proper purpose of behavior in evolutionary understanding is to maximize the survival likelihood of the individual, the genetic line of the individual, and the species of which the individual is a member. There may be many ways to accomplish these ends but of course the ones to be preferred are those that are most efficient since individuals have limited life spans and resources.

From the definition provided above we can see that an individual who is not acting toward the named purposes in efficient ways is pathological from an evolutionary standpoint.

Society ­– Generally speaking societal behaviors or norms that are preserved in nearly all societies over nearly all times are evolutionarily favorable (and probably evolutionarily directed). Thus such things as family closeness, clannishness, community cooperation, patriotism, traditions, belief systems, and so on are likely to be positive, evolutionary survival behaviors since they can all provide a measure of security, and support that enhances survivability.

Once again, we can conclude that individuals who go outside these lines would fit the definition of ‘pathological’ since they place themselves not only out of the norms but may imperil their own survival by losing the support of community, family, etc.

If my reasoning is right then, I think we may safely conclude that we deconverts are pathological. :D

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  • 1. ubi dubium  |  April 12, 2013 at 7:10 pm

    :) indeed.

    But what about traits that were once useful, but have since become a liability (like eyes on cave fish)? Those should just naturally decline over time.

    And then there’s traits that are of no use, but hitchhike along with desirable traits. Example – the Siberian Fox experiment. The foxes were bred for tameness over many generations. Along with losing their agression, the foxes also acquired floppy ears and spotted coats, even though these traits were in no way selected for. They were just a side effect.

    So where to we class religion?

  • 2. Alban  |  April 13, 2013 at 1:49 pm

    Agree also. But…qualify the unappreciative audience as “sheople” to a great extent. These are people who cannot or choose not to think about foundational concerns independently. In that realm they tend to ignore the obvious, lack a great deal of common sense and thrive in authority figures translating all types of information, then accept resulting direction with minimal objection. Stories, sanitized explanations and legends fascinate and in turn, obligate perspective and behavior.

    The rest of the population- don’t know the percentage figures- low end, I’m sure, welcome stimulating, challenging assertion. The common ground here is independence.

    “Agitation”, as some extremists in the subset may label the stance of deconverts, is historically necessary to create beneficial change in society! Independent thinkers in spite of labels appreciate any impetus spotlighting unconscious or purposeful ‘imprisonment’.

    Agitation in an unenlightened society also preserves the rare enlightened advancements of the race. The Bill of rights comes to mind, but how many pay no heed until some ‘extremist’ ad pops up on the computer or someone approaches you for a signature on a petition that pinpoints corruption or oversight in government? Sadly sheople connect annoyance or intolerance incorrectly to the benefit of agitation. I’d rather be considered pathological than a pathological liar or a fablelist.

    The core of religion of is belief. Deconverts are a provoking force to knowing. It could be regarded as an evolutionary advancement, but not by the majority at this juncture. If history is truly cyclical, 50 years from now deconverts could be remembered as ‘agitators’ or ‘provocateurs’ that helped initiate clearer understanding of human reality and its potential. 200 years from then maybe another label like pioneers or liberators could be affixed. Shudder to think how the benefits of such realization may then devolve and be interpreted 200 years later. Hopefully NOT a new religion.

    As understanding almost imperceptibly transits, the sparks of front line insurgency is inevitably ridiculed by the peanut gallery. It is a small price to pay.

  • 3. LeoPardus  |  April 13, 2013 at 5:02 pm

    Good comments Alban. Maybe we are a small start in a new evolutionary/revolutionary process.

  • 4. Sue  |  April 26, 2013 at 10:13 pm

    Apostacy is common. Too common and shouldn’t come as a surprise to people fordained to glory in Christ. The Lord knows each person’s end. Each person does not, he (inclusive) only has the present; an hour from now, everything can change – forever unchanged. Take care.

  • 5. cag  |  April 27, 2013 at 12:25 am

    Sue, apostasy is getting more common every day. More people are recognizing the emptiness of the undeliverable promises of the scam known as religion. There are also the people who have never been religious. Even people deeply involved in religion are giving it up. There are people in the world who are able to see through the lies that their parents used in an attempt to create more superstitious, deluded people. Thousands of gods have been discarded by history. Your god is next on that list.

    Your disgusting “lord’, who, according to your bible, created all things including malaria, ebola, polio, smallpox, and all the other scourges that have no useful purpose and are definitely not subject to human dominion (Gen. 1-26), is not anything to worship. It is a good thing that that disgusting, homicidal maniac with “rules” that would force the human population to stone practically everybody to death is imaginary.

    Take your disgusting, illogical message to someplace where reason is of no value, that is, a religious site. There you can lie and the inmates will nod in approval. Here it will be shredded as the product of a religiously damaged mind. Either go away or provide irrefutable evidence for your god. Remember that the bible makes a claim for god, and a claim is not evidence.

  • 6. cag  |  April 27, 2013 at 12:32 am

    Does anyone know why my link to http://www.clergyproject.org added “http://de-conversion.com/2013/04/12/whos-pathological/” as a prefix? It is not in the submitted text.

  • 7. LeoPardus  |  April 27, 2013 at 1:43 pm

    Don’t know why it did what it did. The link wasn’t working in any case. I fixed it.

  • 8. Marvin  |  August 2, 2013 at 1:13 pm

    Dear Goatstar,Thanks, on a related note, You rraley hear the word evolution among scientists anymore and creation seems to be too far-fetched for any educated person to make sense out of. How the world started and where the universe came from has been one of the secrets that even the most educated people on the planet seem to have problem solving.Nice One!

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