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		<title>Crazy for God (a must read for the de-converting)</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 22:21:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<img class="alignleft" style="float:left;" src="http://a.wordpress.com/avatar/lyndonmarcotte-128.jpg" alt="" hspace="5" width="80" />I just finished reading Frank Schaeffer’s memoirs <a href="http://www.frankschaeffer.net/crazyforgod.html" target="_blank"><em>Crazy for God: How I Grew Up as One of the Elect, Helped Found the Religious Right, and Lived to Take All (or Almost All) of It Back</em></a>. I knew of Frank and his father Francis Schaeffer but arrived on the evangelical scene after the rise of the religious right was in full swing. I could not put this book down for a week. It details the childhood and adolescence of Frank in the Schaeffer home of L’Abri in Switzerland where he grew up and the rise of his family in the evangelical community. It is brutally honest, eye-opening, at times laugh out loud funny, and heart breaking.

<a href="http://agnosticatheism.wordpress.com/files/2008/12/400_crazy-for-god.gif"><img class="alignright size-thumbnail wp-image-2316" title="400_crazy-for-god" src="http://agnosticatheism.wordpress.com/files/2008/12/400_crazy-for-god.gif?w=64" alt="400_crazy-for-god" width="64" height="96" /></a>I enjoyed the book most for being a personal story of someone else on a similar journey as my own, for the same reasons I enjoy <a href="http://de-conversion.com">de-conversion.com</a>. It is incredibly helpful and psychologically healthy to know that I am not alone in my questions and struggles with faith, doubt, and reason. While all of us end up on different ends of the theological spectrum between devotion and atheism, we share a common journey, common experiences, and a common voice.

I appreciate most from Frank’s book his acknowledgement that this is his life’s story as he sees it now. He recognizes that all our perspectives are skewed knowingly or unknowingly and always written or told from the vantage point of the moment. He says asking the question “who are you?” is insufficient. The necessary question to follow that is “when?” He realizes that as individuals we are in a state of flux throughout our lives and likely to be very different from even ourselves at various times in our lives...<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=de-conversion.com&blog=845100&post=2309&subd=agnosticatheism&ref=&feed=1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img class="alignleft" style="float:left;" src="http://a.wordpress.com/avatar/lyndonmarcotte-128.jpg" alt="" hspace="5" width="80" />I just finished reading Frank Schaeffer’s memoirs <a href="http://www.frankschaeffer.net/crazyforgod.html" target="_blank"><em>Crazy for God: How I Grew Up as One of the Elect, Helped Found the Religious Right, and Lived to Take All (or Almost All) of It Back</em></a>. I knew of Frank and his father Francis Schaeffer but arrived on the evangelical scene after the rise of the religious right was in full swing. I could not put this book down for a week. It details the childhood and adolescence of Frank in the Schaeffer home of L’Abri in Switzerland where he grew up and the rise of his family in the evangelical community. It is brutally honest, eye-opening, at times laugh out loud funny, and heart breaking.</p>
<p><a href="http://agnosticatheism.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/400_crazy-for-god.gif"><img class="alignright size-thumbnail wp-image-2316" title="400_crazy-for-god" src="http://agnosticatheism.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/400_crazy-for-god.gif?w=64&#038;h=96" alt="400_crazy-for-god" width="64" height="96" /></a>I enjoyed the book most for being a personal story of someone else on a similar journey as my own, for the same reasons I enjoy <a href="http://de-conversion.com">de-conversion.com</a>. It is incredibly helpful and psychologically healthy to know that I am not alone in my questions and struggles with faith, doubt, and reason. While all of us end up on different ends of the theological spectrum between devotion and atheism, we share a common journey, common experiences, and a common voice.</p>
<p>I appreciate most from Frank’s book his acknowledgement that this is his life’s story as he sees it now. He recognizes that all our perspectives are skewed knowingly or unknowingly and always written or told from the vantage point of the moment. He says asking the question “who are you?” is insufficient. The necessary question to follow that is “when?” He realizes that as individuals we are in a state of flux throughout our lives and likely to be very different from even ourselves at various times in our lives.</p>
<p>Near the end of the book Frank discloses that he is plugging away at faith, in part, through his conversion to the Greek Orthodox Church mostly because he says, “the Orthodox idea of a slow journey to God, wherein no one is altogether instantly ’saved’ or ‘lost’ and nothing is completely resolved in this life (and perhaps not in the next), mirrors the reality of how life works, at least as I’ve experienced it.” That makes a lot of sense to me, and while I vascilate daily between belief and unbelief, mystery and reason, life is, if nothing else, a journey on which I am trying to grow and learn and become all that I can while I can. This book is a welcome stepping stone along the way.</p>
<p><em><strong>- Lyndon</strong></em></p>
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		<title>Since god didn&#8217;t create the matter, where did it come from?</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 03:58:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<img class="alignleft" style="float:left;" src="http://a.wordpress.com/avatar/lyndonmarcotte-128.jpg" alt="" hspace="5" width="80" />At the moment, the consensus in the scientific community is that the universe originated in a “Big Bang.” While that may be hotly contested by the religious community, there are certain facts that make the theory hard to easily dispel. One of those facts is that astronomers can observe the visible universe moving further and further away at increasing speed in all directions (and no we are not at the center of the universe.)

Some of the questions raised by those opposed to the theory are “what happened to cause the Big Bang?", and "where did all that stuff come from?” Just such a question was mentioned by John, a 15 year old also struggling with matters of faith and reason, who commented on my previous post <a title="Branding an Adolescent Mind" href="http://de-conversion.com/2008/04/26/branding-an-adolescent-mind/">“Branding an Adolescent Mind”</a>:
<blockquote>Although, i speak to anyone willing to try to convert me but i have never heard anything that really made me wonder about the truthfullness of their beliefs. The one line that i really couldn’t answer was, ‘despite from the big bang and any of those scientific beliefs, where did all that matter come from?’ My only answer i could give to that christian crusader was, ‘Who are you to say that it all began from a superior being or entity, for some reason, deciding this should be and made it happen?’</blockquote>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img class="alignleft" style="float:left;" src="http://a.wordpress.com/avatar/lyndonmarcotte-128.jpg" alt="" hspace="5" width="80" />At the moment, the consensus in the scientific community is that the universe originated in a “Big Bang.” While that may be hotly contested by the religious community, there are certain facts that make the theory hard to easily dispel. One of those facts is that astronomers can observe the visible universe moving further and further away at increasing speed in all directions (and no we are not at the center of the universe.)</p>
<p>Some of the questions raised by those opposed to the theory are “what happened to cause the Big Bang?&#8221;, and &#8220;where did all that stuff come from?” Just such a question was mentioned by John, a 15 year old also struggling with matters of faith and reason, who commented on my previous post <a title="Branding an Adolescent Mind" href="http://de-conversion.com/2008/04/26/branding-an-adolescent-mind/">“Branding an Adolescent Mind”</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>Although, i speak to anyone willing to try to convert me but i have never heard anything that really made me wonder about the truthfullness of their beliefs. The one line that i really couldn’t answer was, ‘despite from the big bang and any of those scientific beliefs, where did all that matter come from?’ My only answer i could give to that christian crusader was, ‘Who are you to say that it all began from a superior being or entity, for some reason, deciding this should be and made it happen?’</p></blockquote>
<p>Before I make an amateur attempt to answer that question, I want to say that science isn’t about having the one right answer. The thing I that I have come to admire most about science is <strong>the pursuit to ask better questions and find better answers</strong>. Many times throughout history science operated based on the best answers they had to work from at the time. When better evidence came along, those answers were set aside in light of what they later learned to be true. Nothing is sacred. Even what we consider to be scientific fact is really the best possible answer to a given problem at the moment.</p>
<p>Although there are “laws” of physics, there are places where those basic laws break down and do not hold to be true, such as extreme environments like super massive black holes or the very early stages of expansion immediately after the Big Bang. I believe that whenever scientists hold their answers to be “infallible and inerrant,” they cease to be scientists and become religious zealots. I say all of that to say that I don’t have the definative answers to these big questions either. However, I do have better answers that I used to have, and I’m learning to ask better questions.</p>
<p>The simple answer to <strong>“where did all that stuff come from?”</strong> is a theory which says it came from a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitational_singularity" target="_blank">singularity</a>, in which all of the matter in the universe was compressed into a space smaller than an atom. The better question that we are asking now is “what happened before the Big Bang?” Truthfully, no one knows. That’s why they call it theoretical physics, but as you would expect there are a number of evolving theories.</p>
<p>I tend to think that the answer to where it came from is the same as where it is going. The problem we have as humans is that we think of time as a linear concept, starting at point A in the past and moving toward point B in the future at a constant rate. Einstein’s theories show that time is indeed a relative thing. I wonder if time isn’t more circular. Can you find the beginning of a circle? Can you show me it’s end? It’s a senseless question. For us to keep asking where it all came from and where is it going may be just as senseless, because it may be that there was no beginning and there will be no end. Sounds strangely divine doesn’t it?</p>
<p>There are two prevailing theories as to how the universe will end that help us to answer how it began. One is that it will end in “fire and brimstone,” known as the <a href="http://www.windows.ucar.edu/tour/link=/the_universe/Crunch.html" target="_blank">Big Crunch</a>. The other is that it will end in ice, known as the <a href="http://www.astronomy.ohio-state.edu/%7Epogge/Ast162/Unit5/fate.html" target="_blank">Big Chill</a>. Again, this is my best amateur explanation of these ideas. The Big Crunch says that at some point the attractional force of gravity will slow down the expansion of the universe until a point that it begins to collapse back onto itself, eventually all the way back to a singularity once more. In this theory of the end of everything you also have the beginning of everything. This expanding/collapsing pattern repeats itself literally to “worlds without end.”</p>
<p>On the other hand, the Big Chill says that the universe will continue expanding at an ever increasing rate of speed such that gravity is not strong enough to overcome the expansion. As matter in the universe continues to move further and further apart, stars will eventually die from a lack of fuel. The fate of this universe is a cold, dark and silent death. You can almost see how religious fundamentalists would appreciate the Big Crunch theory, if not for the the circular pattern of unlimited worlds and lives without end part. However, more of the scientific community is leaning towards the Big Chill theory as being more plausible.</p>
<p>I have enjoyed Stephen Hawking’s books immensely, especially his work on super massive black holes and Parallel Universes. My simple understanding of them is that it’s possible that an immense amount of gravity is compressed within a super massive black hole into a singularity, similar to what originated the Big Bang. At those extremes the fundamental laws of physics break down and theoretical physics steps in to fill in the gaps. In the theory of parallel universes it is possible that the compressed matter and energy of super massive black holes may actually result in a Big Bang of its own, resulting in a completely new and different universe from our own. If in fact it’s possible that super massive black holes result in a parallel universe, there would be an infinite number of parallel universes possible, not of all of which operate under the same laws of physics as ours.</p>
<p>After 30 years of research, Hawking reversed his theory on parallel universes and says now that after an immense amount of time super massive black holes die and eject their matter/energy back into the universe in an unrecognizable form from the original. Proving yet again that science like ourselves is a work in progress.</p>
<p>I share all of that to say that there is no one answer, at least not yet. We just have better answers and better questions than we used to have. The reality is that our average human lifetime is infinitely small in comparison to the life cycle of even this one known universe that we are in. No amount of science or religion will change the fact that each of us, everyone of us, will one day die. We will cease to be, at least in the linear concept of time that we live with. We are the children of stardust. Our bodies are literally comprised of elements derived from the stars. Given enough time, we will return to our source, whenever and wherever that may be. With those thoughts in mind I am far more inclined to believe in past lifetimes and future lifetimes than I am the Rapture. I am far more inclined to believe in the interconnectedness of all life. I am far more inclined to want to take care of the world we live in, and I am far more inclined to appreciate life, every life, for the wonderful rare and beautiful gift that it is. Good luck on your journey.</p>
<p><em><strong>- Lyndon</strong></em></p>
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		<description><![CDATA[<img class="alignleft" style="float:left;" src="http://a.wordpress.com/avatar/lyndonmarcotte-128.jpg" alt="" hspace="5" width="80" />Maybe you were one of those snobby rich kids that had everything they ever wanted growing up, or maybe you were the kid who saved up every dollar and bought your own pair of designer jeans twice a year and took exquisite care of them. I was neither. I had nice things but Levi's were the extent of my brand loyalties. Aside from the trendy things we all focus on as teenagers, there are a myriad of other mundane everyday things in our adolescent lives that we use because they are available to us. Toothpaste, ketchup, shaving cream, etc.

When you leave home for the first time, whether for college, marriage, or the working world, you are suddenly faced with more choices than you ever thought possible. You take for granted all the common utilitarian things your parents provided for you. Do you remember the first time you went out to buy toothpaste for yourself? What do you get? Do you buy what your mom had always bought for you? Do you stretch your rebellious wings in protest and go for something new? As simple and foolish as it sounds, it is a microcosm of the process we go through into adulthood. How much do we cling to? How far do we run away?...<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=de-conversion.com&blog=845100&post=815&subd=agnosticatheism&ref=&feed=1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img class="alignleft" style="float:left;" src="http://a.wordpress.com/avatar/lyndonmarcotte-128.jpg" alt="" hspace="5" width="80" />Maybe you were one of those snobby rich kids that had everything they ever wanted growing up, or maybe you were the kid who saved up every dollar and bought your own pair of designer jeans twice a year and took exquisite care of them. I was neither. I had nice things but Levi&#8217;s were the extent of my brand loyalties. Aside from the trendy things we all focus on as teenagers, there are a myriad of other mundane everyday things in our adolescent lives that we use because they are available to us. Toothpaste, ketchup, shaving cream, etc.</p>
<p>When you leave home for the first time, whether for college, marriage, or the working world, you are suddenly faced with more choices than you ever thought possible. You take for granted all the common utilitarian things your parents provided for you. Do you remember the first time you went out to buy toothpaste for yourself? What do you get? Do you buy what your mom had always bought for you? Do you stretch your rebellious wings in protest and go for something new? As simple and foolish as it sounds, it is a microcosm of the process we go through into adulthood. How much do we cling to? How far do we run away?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.coastsoap.com/"><img class="alignright" style="float:right;" src="http://www.ehow.com/images/GlobalPhoto/Articles/2019545/coastsoap_Full.jpg" alt="" width="100" /></a>I still remember vividly walking into my first dorm room at La Tech and finding a nicely packaged shoe-sized box on my bed. Inside were Edge shaving cream, Coast soap, Crest toothpaste and several other necessities and loads of marketing flyers and coupons. Thirteen years later I&#8217;m still using those same brands. I did not consciously choose to try something different. Had I wandered down to Wal-Mart after running out of whatever I brought from home, I very well may have bought Aquafresh toothpaste because I had used it all my life, but I was given the opportunity to consider an alternative.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.pinnaclefoodscorp.com/public/brands/log-cabin.htm"><img class="alignleft" style="float:left;" src="http://www.pinnaclefoodscorp.com/img/brand-logos/main/logcabin.jpg" alt="" width="100" /></a>My trips down to the food court and cafeteria in the student center were just as life-altering. They had Bullseye BBQ sauce and Log Cabin syrup. I never had that before, and I really liked them. We always used Kraft BBQ sauce and Blackburn syrup at home. I don&#8217;t know how many kids ask their parents to try a different BBQ sauce. You just use what you have, what you&#8217;re comfortable with. To this day I still buy those brand at the grocery store. It was a conscious minute rebellious stand on my part. &#8220;This is different. I am on my own.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.sbc.net/"><img class="alignright" style="float:right;" src="http://www.9thstbaptist.org/images/SBC%20logo-th.jpg" alt="" height="133" /></a>The religions we grow up with are not all that different than the foods and everyday items we are comfortable with from our childhood. We all know (and you may have been) one of teens who ran away from the church of your childhood as fast and hard as you could the moment you were out the door. I wasn&#8217;t. I went deeper. I changed schools, switched my major to religion, married my high school sweetheart, and began pastoring churches by my sophomore year in college.</p>
<p>[Can we take an aside for just a moment and address something here? Who the hell lets a 19 year old kid pastor a church? For crying out loud, I don't care how mature or intelligent you are. It borders on child abuse. I know now that I was no where near mentally and emotionally mature enough to be in that situation. There is a lot to be said for the Methodist system that requires training, accountability, and assignment. This Baptist free-for-all independent streak can be detremental to the emotional well being of all concerned. Okay, just had to get that off my chest.]</p>
<p>It was later after several years of pastoral ministry, graduating college, and lots of life experiences that I began to move away from the comfortable religion of my childhood and seriously question the tenets and methods intensively. Once I stopped going to church every Sunday, it became easier to think clearly. While we may enjoy the fellowship and worship, there is an enormous amount of direct and indirect conditioning taking place. Whenever you remove yourself from that environment and begin to think independently, you may come up with different answers than those you were taught in Sunday School.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know which label is most appropriate to describe my theological quandry. It&#8217;s like trying to hit a moving target because I&#8217;m in a constant state of evolution. Maybe I&#8217;m a very liberal Christian, but there&#8217;s more that I disagree with in the church than I agree with, so it seems disingenuous to consider myself a Christian. I personally feel somewhere in the middle of agnosticism and atheism. My simple understanding of those terms is that one says we can&#8217;t know whether or not God is and the other says he is not.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t really know whether God exists or not. If there is a God, he cannot possibly be anything like the Judeo-Christian version we&#8217;ve all been brought up to believe in. I&#8217;m much more inclined to believe in a unifying field or consciousness than a divine deity. Science and theoretical physics have given me answers to who we are, how we came to be, and what we&#8217;re doing here more than any sermon I&#8217;ve ever heard. It&#8217;s not really important to me which label fits me best, but I&#8217;ve felt more and more pressure to have a &#8220;coming out.&#8221;</p>
<p>I have no desire to diminish the faith of others or make a spectacle of myself. I just don&#8217;t believe the same way anymore. There are reasons why I turn down invitations to preach, why I don&#8217;t read the Bible the same way as others expect me to, why I don&#8217;t care about going to church, etc. I think it&#8217;s only a matter of time before family members, friends, or peers force the issue. I&#8217;d rather avoid the shock waves and the fallout, because I know that people get angry, they get hurt, they feel the need to put your name on the prayer list. I&#8217;m not interested. I may be called an atheist, an agnostic, or a liberal, but I&#8217;m happiest just being me. In fact I&#8217;m happier being me than I have ever been in my entire life, and for the first time in my entire life I chose to be me.</p>
<p><em><strong>- Lyndon</strong></em></p>
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		<title>To sin or not to sin: Is it even possible?</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 14:59:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Lyndon</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<img src="http://agnosticatheism.wordpress.com/files/2007/11/19392010thm.thumbnail.jpg" alt="Eve Apple" align="left" hspace="5" />I’ve been thinking a lot about sin lately. No, I don’t have a guilty conscience. Quite the opposite. My conscience has never been clearer, although I think my fundy friends would say that it’s been “seared with a hot iron.” I consider it liberated from guilt theology. The big question of the day: is it even possible to sin? My short answer: no.

At a recent Interfaith Dialogue I was struck by how Judaism, Islam, and Christianity are so dominated by sin consciousness. The primary thrust of each religion appeared to be an attempt to find atonement for sin and be reconciled to God. My favorite college professor delivered the guest sermon at church yesterday. His teaching, along with <a href="http://www.answers.com/topic/brennan-manning" class="answerlink" target="_blank"><font color="#d96a02">Brennan Manning</font></a>’s books, helped me to overcome the narcissistic guilt I inherited in the church growing up. True to form he preached about God’s forgiveness and willful forgetfulness of our sins. That is a very necessary message to help people come out of the trap that is fundamentalism. It’s like opening the prison doors and setting people free. I don’t want to play off the <em>Matrix</em> too much, but at this stage of the journey I’ve come to realize that there <em>is</em> no prison to begin with. We are imprisoned only by the smallness of our minds...<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=de-conversion.com&blog=845100&post=573&subd=agnosticatheism&ref=&feed=1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img src="http://agnosticatheism.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/19392010thm.thumbnail.jpg?w=455" alt="Eve Apple" align="left" hspace="5" />I’ve been thinking a lot about sin lately. No, I don’t have a guilty conscience. Quite the opposite. My conscience has never been clearer, although I think my fundy friends would say that it’s been “seared with a hot iron.” I consider it liberated from guilt theology. The big question of the day: is it even possible to sin? My short answer: no.</p>
<p>At a recent Interfaith Dialogue I was struck by how Judaism, Islam, and Christianity are so dominated by sin consciousness. The primary thrust of each religion appeared to be an attempt to find atonement for sin and be reconciled to God. My favorite college professor delivered the guest sermon at church yesterday. His teaching, along with <a href="http://www.answers.com/topic/brennan-manning" class="answerlink" target="_blank"><font color="#d96a02">Brennan Manning</font></a>’s books, helped me to overcome the narcissistic guilt I inherited in the church growing up. True to form he preached about God’s forgiveness and willful forgetfulness of our sins. That is a very necessary message to help people come out of the trap that is fundamentalism. It’s like opening the prison doors and setting people free. I don’t want to play off the <i>Matrix</i> too much, but at this stage of the journey I’ve come to realize that there <i>is</i> no prison to begin with. We are imprisoned only by the smallness of our minds.</p>
<p>To tell guilt-ridden believers that there is no sin would probably do more harm than good. If they didn’t write you off as blasphemous but actually considered the possibility, it might well throw them into a theological tailspin. I read yesterday in <a href="http://www.answers.com/topic/deepak-chopra" class="answerlink" target="_blank"><font color="#d96a02">Deepak Chopra</font></a>’s book <i>Quantum Healing</i> that researchers proved that if newborn kittens are blindfolded within the first few days before their eyes are opened that they will be blind for life. Although they have perfectly healthy eyes, something gets crosswired in their brains permanently blinding them. Conditioning, especially in our formative years, is so powerful that it can cripple a person for life.</p>
<p>One of the statements that resonated with me so strongly months ago regarding the reality of sinfulness was made by Micael Ledwith in <i>What the Bleep Do We Know!?</i>:</p>
<blockquote><p>The single greatest obstacle to our evolution is the way our culture often views God &#8211; as a God sitting up somewhere “registering the scores on his laptop as to whether we perform according to his designs or whether we’re offending him, as it’s put, an absolutely outrageous idea. How could we offend God? How could it matter so much to him? How could it, above all, matter that he would find it so serious a situation that he could conform us to an eternity of suffering? These are bizarre ideas.And they are bizarre ideas: that in this vast universe, where there are more galaxies than grains of sand in all the oceans, that in that vastness, a group of people &#8211; well, men actually &#8211; on a small planet got the exclusive franchise for the pearly gate arches of heaven. And every other being in the universe will spend an eternity of suffering in hell. It’s hard to imagine a more bizarre idea. And if that’s the sort of God you believe in, you just have to wonder: How does that affect your view of the world?</p></blockquote>
<p>The more you think about it sin appears to be nothing more than a means of control. We’ve seen repeatedly in history how the dangers of hellfire can be a useful tool for the church to keep even Kings in line. It was just such a mockery that prompted Martin Luther to nail the <i>95 Thesis</i> to the <a href="http://www.answers.com/topic/wittenburg" class="answerlink" target="_blank"><font color="#d96a02">Wittenburg</font></a> door, “As the coin in the coffer rings, another soul from pergatory springs.”</p>
<p>Is sin real? Is it possible to sin? Does our sinfulness really offend God? You couldn’t tell by looking around. If God is offended by our sinfulness or brokenhearted over our suffering, He doesn’t seem to do a hell of a lot about it. Does He? You cannot convince me that God or the Supreme Being or the Unified Field or the Force is offended by you lusting after a girl, failing to pay your tithes, or skipping out on church. So what is sin?</p>
<p>I think the word “sin” is damaged goods and loaded with baggage. I don’t think you <i>can</i> sin against God, but you can “sin” against your neighbor. As humans we have enormous potential for cruelty, as well as for good. Our pain and anger over the imbalance of justice in the world feeds the need for religions of atonement and damnation. We have this innate need to have our consciences cleared and believe that those who do evil will be punished in the next life to make the scales balance out again. When injury is done to another, the real consequence is that the whole of life is somehow diminished and robbed of joy, not that someone will burn in hellfire for all time.</p>
<p>It is a cold hard fact to grasp that the rich and poor, the kind and the cruel alike, will all die and turn to dust. There is evil and suffering in the world, and much of it has never been made right. I’ve learned that it is a common misconception that many people believe that one of the basic tenets of Buddhism is that “life <i>is </i>suffering.” That is not true. Apparently the appropriate translation reads that “life <i>contains</i> suffering.” No amount of labeling and fear-mongering is going to change that. It’s been tried for the last few thousand years and look where it’s gotten us. Why not try a radically different approach? Instead of telling people how worthless, how no good, and how sinful they are, why don’t we try showing people the incredible potential they have as persons and as a collective whole? Now there’s a novel idea.</p>
<p>Maybe enlightenment is as elusive as chasing after the wind, but if we spent our energies pursuing nobler ideals, we would not waste so much time hurting each other and seeking to have control over anyone or anything else. Just my opinion.</p>
<p><b><i> &#8211; Lyndon</i></b> (<a href="http://wordslessspoken.com">Words Less Spoken</a>)</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 02:26:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Lyndon</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<img src="http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/3/3c/180px-Hobbitstale.jpg" alt="A Hobbit's Tale" align="right" border="0" height="75" width="178" />Trying to describe the personal journey that I’ve been on for the last four years is like trying to nail jello to the wall.  I’ve gone through a thorough detox from vocational and institutional Christianity, plunged headlong into the “dark night of the soul,” and am slowly emerging with my head above unchartered waters. Bilbo’s story could well be my own, “There and Back Again: A Hobbit’s Tale,” yet the place to which I’ve returned is different and familiar all the same.

I spent roughly 10 years in pastoral ministry, or I could say that I spent 10 years in pastoral ministry roughly. I broke from full-time ministry to become self-employed in healthcare marketing, a job I still have five years later. For 18 months I tried to be bi-vocational while building this new business, but aside from preaching on Sundays, my job didn’t lend itself to be compatible with pastoral ministry.

My departure from full-time ministry was against the grain of the church-growth mentality. I was capable and expected to move on to bigger churches to continue my “ministry.” Not only did I demote myself to a smaller pastorate, but I also went “secular.” There was a lapse of 9 months before I began the bi-vocational pastorate, leaving many to circulate rumors that my last church drove me from the ministry. Beginning with leaving full-time ministry I began to contemplate ways to reinvent the wheel...<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=de-conversion.com&blog=845100&post=563&subd=agnosticatheism&ref=&feed=1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img src="http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/3/3c/180px-Hobbitstale.jpg" alt="A Hobbit's Tale" align="right" border="0" height="75" width="178" />Trying to describe the personal journey that I’ve been on for the last four years is like trying to nail jello to the wall.  I’ve gone through a thorough detox from vocational and institutional Christianity, plunged headlong into the “dark night of the soul,” and am slowly emerging with my head above unchartered waters. Bilbo’s story could well be my own, “There and Back Again: A Hobbit’s Tale,” yet the place to which I’ve returned is different and familiar all the same.</p>
<p>I spent roughly 10 years in pastoral ministry, or I could say that I spent 10 years in pastoral ministry roughly. I broke from full-time ministry to become self-employed in healthcare marketing, a job I still have five years later. For 18 months I tried to be bi-vocational while building this new business, but aside from preaching on Sundays, my job didn’t lend itself to be compatible with pastoral ministry.</p>
<p>My departure from full-time ministry was against the grain of the church-growth mentality. I was capable and expected to move on to bigger churches to continue my “ministry.” Not only did I demote myself to a smaller pastorate, but I also went “secular.” There was a lapse of 9 months before I began the bi-vocational pastorate, leaving many to circulate rumors that my last church drove me from the ministry. Beginning with leaving full-time ministry I began to contemplate ways to reinvent the wheel. I had a deep gnawing awareness that something was wrong with the way we did church. I slowly began to peel back the layers of tradition trying to find something of an authentic spirituality worth practicing.</p>
<p>My earliest attempts at deconstruction focused too much on models and methods. I began to see small-group/cell-driven churches as a panacea. I even started a prototype group of potential leaders with the intention of duplicating into a small network of cells that would eventually begin corporate gatherings. One of the families went back into a traditional ministry role, leaving myself and a good friend of mine to discover that the root of our problems went much deeper than having the wrong model.</p>
<p>The reality we came to face was that we who had spent years in the ministry were completed isolated from normal people on the outside of the four walls of the church. You cannot reach people if you’re not with people. As we began to rethink our approach to reaching people, we became acutely aware of our own hidden agendas to “win friends and influence people.” There’s a powerful quote from the movie <i><a href="http://imdb.com/title/tt0189584/"><font color="#d96a02">Big Kahuna</font></a> </i>with Kevin Spacey and Danny Devito that describes this well:</p>
<blockquote><p>It doesn’t matter whether you’re selling Jesus or Buddha or civil rights or ‘How to Make Money in Real Estate With No Money Down.’ That doesn’t make you a human being; it makes you a marketing rep. If you want to talk to somebody honestly, as a human being, ask him about his kids. Find out what his dreams are &#8211; just to find out, for no other reason. Because as soon as you lay your hands on a conversation to steer it, it’s not a conversation anymore; it’s a pitch. And you’re not a human being; you’re a marketing rep.</p></blockquote>
<p>This realization has forever changed the way I interact with people and what I think of evangelism. I want to know people and value them for who they are and what they can teach me through their stories regardless of whether they agree with me or not.</p>
<p>It was about this time that I began trying to focus on being incarnational and became sympathetic to Celtic Christianity, in particular <i><a href="http://northumbriacommunity.org/PraytheOffice/index.html"><font color="#d96a02">Celtic Daily Prayer</font></a> </i>of the Northumbria Community. I appreciate their focus on incarnation, prayer, contemplation, and service. It was a different, gentler form of Christianity that touched me deeply and sort of nourished me back to wholeness as a person, leaving one last link in my life to Christianity.</p>
<p>Aside from serving twice as an interim pastor for a few months following my bi-vocational pastorate, my wife and I quit going to church altogether. We felt no guilt whatsoever. We actually felt relieved and much happier. We didn’t disavow church for all time, but we were too well acquainted with the churches, parishoners, and pulpit personalities in our area to want to attend any of them. It was not long before a year had passed without darkening the door of a sanctuary.</p>
<p>In the process of deconstructing tradition and trying to be an honest broker of my motivations and convictions I became obsessed with trying to find answers to questions. Every answer yielded only more questions but better questions. It was not long before every truth I tried to stand on felt like mush beneath my feet. I found the most compelling answers not in theology but in the realm of science and reasoning. In particular my study of astrophysics and eventually quantum mechanics opened my eyes to a whole new way of seeing the world and my place in it. <i><a href="http://imdb.com/title/tt0133093/"><font color="#d96a02">The Matrix</font></a></i> is a definitive movie of our time for expressing the dynamic shift in worldviews taking place.</p>
<p>When your eyes are opened to see the world in a new way, there is a mixture of emotions ranging from anger for being hoodwinked to wide-eyed wonder in a new way of engaging life. Perhaps mainly for comfort I continued to come back to <i><a href="http://northumbriacommunity.org/PraytheOffice/index.html"><font color="#d96a02">Celtic Daily Prayer</font></a></i> and continually tried to rethink my way through all that I had been taught about God, the world, and who I am. I sort of came to a place where I was prepared to leave behind everything I had professed to believe in and go my own way. I realized that if I was willing to forsake it all, before I did I might as well try to start with a blank slate trying to reconstruct some semblance of a real world, liveable faith that worked for me. Demythologizing became a pathway out of the dark night of the soul for me. I began to find far more power and truth in looking through the lens of metaphor and symbolism than I ever did through literalism.</p>
<p>I suppose I’ve become theologically liberal. Although I never thought that was possible, I’m completely comfortable in my own skin for the first time in a long time. In no way do I consider to have to come to the end of my journey. I’m not dead yet. I find myself in a familiar place again. We’ve been visiting a few churches and found a church and a pastor with whom I can identify. I don’t have to agree with everything to find value in something. So I find myself retracing old steps but going in a new direction with a new way of seeing the road ahead. So I say with humility that I’ve been “there,” and I’ve come “back again.” There’s nothing to say I won’t end up “there” again before the journey’s over, but I’m sure it would not be the same as last I found it. I’ve discovered that I haven’t been wandering aimlessly in circles after all. I’m winding up <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Spiral-Staircase-Climb-Out-Darkness/dp/0375413189"><i><font color="#d96a02">A Spiral Staircase</font></i></a> and though each turn around feels familiar I hope I’m gaining ground.</p>
<p><i><b>- Lyndon </b></i>(<a href="http://wordslessspoken.com/">WordsLessSpoken</a>)</p>
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